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as grover. no, not the muppet, but chief enforcer of the notorious norquist pledge against taxes. republican candidates for office must sign or risk defeat by right-wing candidates in primaries where a turnout of die-hard partisans can decide the outcome. among republican politicians, fear of grover has been greater even than fear of god, and such fear has kept republicans in congress from voting to raise taxes for 22 years, all the way back to 1990. mickey edwards was still in congress then. an eight-term representative from oklahoma, and a formidable leader among conservatives who nonetheless knew how to work with opponents to get things done. he chaired the republican policy committee, was a founding trustee of the conservative heritage foundation, and served as national chairman of the american conservative union. after redistricting by democrats cost him his seat in 1993, he taught at harvard and princeton, became vice president of the aspen institute, and wrote this book: "reclaiming conservatism: how a great american political movement got lost--and how it can find its way back." now
the argument not about his spending, but about grover norquist, he wins there, too. for republicans, on the other hand, if they can figure out a way to refocus the debate on spending, they win and the country wins. we can't kid ourselves that's correct is not easy to do. obama has the biggest microphone in the land and he also has the media in his hip pocket. all the gop has is control of the house. now it's very hard, it's inherently hard for any brin. of congress to present a unified disciplined front. no the policy show the public will blame the gop if we go over the fiscal cliff. if that's the case, if he won't deal unless the republicans agree to raise the top rates or revenues, then boehner needs to understand this reality and not under any circumstances surrender or appear weak. now what that means specifically is boehner cannot allow himself to begin to negotiate with himself anda republicans because all that will do is vindicate and reward obama's inflexibility and cause a fierce fight within the gop and conservative. i get the feeling with each and every day as republicans
explode. plosion they start with some ridiculous premise. people from cnbc like grover norquist is the guest you know will start with a premise that is not favorable to the president on the fiscal cliff. >> they take grover norquist seriously. seriously enough to have him on the panel. >> stephanie: who is he again and why? why does he literally -- >> i have a pledge. i got a pledge! >> stephanie: he was all threateny. if you thought -- >> i've got pictures of people doing naughty things. >> stephanie: he's like tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one. oh grover! [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] scared grover. >> the tea party kind of crashed and burned of its own volition. >> stephanie: people are on tv threatening the president. here's the thing. i found this great piece in the "wall street journal." we've talked about this before but here's what i hate is we start from the premise that this president has been such a crazy spender. [ cuckoo clock chimes ] this is why i find handy dandy charts so helpful. the
of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike pledge embraced by many in the gop. >> every republican who had impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. they have just been told there are no real reforms in this budget. $1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> joining me is eleanor cliff and david dreker thank you for being here. so eleanor, we have timothy geithner who says there will be a deal before the end of the year but it doesn't look like anyone is willing to budge. is that your take away? >> i think there's a rhythm to these negotiations. and right now each side is staking out their optimal position. the republicans reportedly laughed at the proposal. if they can extract concessions from the president, then they can look like they have gotten something in the deal. so i think we're in the early stages of the negotiations, even though there aren't that many days left. i'm still optimistic. i think the president cannot be the one who blinks. he won the election and if we do go over the cliff or whatever we want to
a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this country. many americans play for dinner. i don't think grover norquist cares about who is paying to dinner. he has a pledge. it's important to him an
. and opposing tax increases doesn't change that reality. there's nothing in grover norquist's pledge that stops the ageing process. so there's no way the tax receipts of the 1960s will support the demographics of america in the 2030s. anyone who says otherwise is not taking the reality seriously. joining us is a man who always takes reality seriously. chris hayes. so one thing i always think is true in our political discussions is we don't like to face up to big changes. we like to use them as evidence for whatever policies are adapting. but the ageing of the society, i don't think we have come close to thinking about what that will mean for our economy or the government or any of it it. >> the only discussion we have is we're getting older so the entitlement programs will go bankruptcy. taking the reality seriously. joining us is a man who always takes reality seriously. chris hayes. so one thing i always think is true in our political discussions is we don't like to face up to big changes. we like to use them as evidence for whatever policies are adapting. but the ageing of the society, i don
increases doesn't change that reality. there's nothing in grover norquist's pledge that stops the ageing process. so there's no way the tax receipts of the 1960s will support the demographics of america in the 2030s. anyone who says otherwise is not taking the reality seriously. joining us is a man who always takes reality seriously. chris hayes. so one thing i always think is true in our political discussions is we don't like to face up to big changes. we like to use them as evidence for whatever policies are adapting. but the ageing of the society, i don't think we have come close to thinking about what that will mean for our economy or the government or any of it it. >> the only discussion we have is we're getting older so the entitlement programs will go bankruptcy. when you think about it, what does a mature society value and think about how you want to spend your marginal dollar. 25 maybe you want to buy an extra shot or get a video game system. >> i feel like you're making the 25-year-olds look a little trivial. >> if someone says you can spend a dollar to get an extra three month
's nothing in grover norquist's pledge that stops the aging process. if there was, i would take it. so there's no way the tax receipts of the 1960s will support the demographics of america in the 2020s or the 2030s. anyone who says otherwise is not taking the reality seriously. joining us is a man who always takes reality seriously. chris hayes. >> religiously. >> religiously. so one thing i always think is true in our political discussions is we don't like to face up to big changes. we like to use them as evidence for why whatever policies we support need to happen. but particularly the aging of this society, i don't think we've come anywhere close to thinking about what that will mean for the economy or the government or any of it it. >> the only discussion we have is we're getting older so the entitlement programs will go bankruptcy. we have to make cuts. when you think about it, what does a mature society value and how does it want to spend its marginal dollar. think as an individual, how do you want to spend it at 25 and how do you want to spend it at 75? at 25 maybe you want to buy an
or after january 1st. and they don't have to go to father professor, grover norquist. >> stephanie: exactly. representative welch thank you for giving us an update. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> stephanie: he is awesome. where is my comedy music? [♪ circus music ♪] >> stephanie: okay. gop wants to turn pour people into mulch claims ever inane stephanie miller. and technically it was jim. >> yeah. >> stephanie: should we stipulate that we don't actually thing john boner wants to turn pour people into mulch? >> yes. >> stephanie: wouldn't it be fun if he made news busters while talking about news busters. >> that's would be so funny. >> stephanie: basically it's a hilarious jim ward, but he is doing his boner imitation -- >> flabbergasted. >> stephanie: ward that's an balanced approach, lavoie hey, that is a solution. you did a whole sentence. miller, i made a chart, pour person woodchiper. ward still imitating boner, just kill all the poor people and then we'll have an balanced approach. but you would don't that because you're so popular. miller and then we'll have
mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four bad years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically, jon, what grover norquist is saying there to members of the tea party set who have been elected, who were elected, is, you know, we're going to take everybody who is against us into a primary on your right. >> right. >> on the republican side. >> right. >> so the threat has been issued already, even before we begin negotiating what the package will be. >> oh, yeah. >> this is like political terrorism. >> well, it's certainly a clear bargaining position. i remember three years ago talking to a longtime membe
on the right are going to be saying to boehner, we had pledged to grover norquist no tax increase at all and here you are agreeing to what is effectively a tax increase. and i think that both sides are going to have to give a little bit of something, and that 37% may be the golden median. >> doug, let's talk about the unemployment report that came out today. it shows 7.7% unemployment. you know, i know a lot of democrats want to say, oh, it's dropping, but it seems to me for months and months and months, the unemployment numbers have just remained awful. they move a little up and down, but they're just a mess. 12 million people unemployed. it seems to me that that could cut either way. republicans could still lean on that and say, you may be winning the pr war on this thing right now, but don't forget, you've got a big problem out there that you'll need our help on. >> i think there are three important things going on. the employment report was not strong. despite the top line number going down to 7.7%. the reason it fell is that another 350,000 people gave up looking entirely and left t
republicans to bring to step over to do this. and you're seeing grover norquist's grip fall apart. we really need to do this. this is a really important thing to do to improve the lives of young people. one thing to keep in mind, it is younger workers who are being hurt the most. the job gains are heavily among 55 and over. we don't want to have a society where we get cynical young people where there is no point in playing by the rules because you won't get a job any way. >> why not go over the cliff? if we go over the cliff, we're talking solving the financial problems. but we run the risk of another recession. i believe personally that we might dip a little bit, but it won't be anything like the first chart we showed. i mean, let's get rid of bush tax policy and start over. what about that? >> i think that that may well be a good idea. it's risky, ed. there's some risk as to what will happen. we don't know. but the fact is the government would then have all of this revenue. if it spends that revenue to create jobs and regardless of what the republicans say, government creates jobs all the
to praise him if they raise taxes and. the sort of grover norquist and he's a funny kind much a guy and during the interviews, endearing, and put the burden on him and the third is rebellion and charles krauthammer and steve forbes and the media like that story the least. >> i think there's a 6th story, jim. which is the media that quote progressive media of msnbc, tipping down to the white house to have an earnest chat to chat with the president about how important not going over the fiscal cliff is, and how important it is that they persuade their viewers to lean on those people who oppose them, so that they can actually avoid the cliff. that's amazing. >> you know, the media did not include the people who are not included, there was tom hartman, allen colmes and a lot of people who the white house left out of that meeting and in terms of who they put up and put out. media put out the story without doing their homework. >> there was a column by george will, bewitched by obama, even jonathan swift who said that promises and pie crusts are made to be broken and marvelled at the limi
-breaker for the presidents. joining me now, the man some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many and as a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i want to start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which includes 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spending cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good plan called lorraine budget. they all voted for it in the house. it saves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not interested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans to keep moving in his direction. i suppose it gives you five minutes on the nightly news to say you are being reasonable, but the president keeps saying he just wants massive tax increases, no spending cuts. he
to the heritage foundation he'll have to i think compete with the likes of grover norquist for the unelected leader of the republican party, because i think we'll hear from him and see a lot from him. i mean, you know, he may not have always picked candidates, thinking of murdoch and aiken, who won, but i would expect to see him continue to try to push the republican party, you know, as he did on the inside similarly from the outside using, you know, sort of the tools and the levers that the heritage foundation affords. i would just -- i would like to put in a plug for katon. i don't want to worry your chans so i'm going to resist giving my own endorsement, but you would be a wonderful addition inside republican party for voice of reason. >> look at that, katon dawson. take that the governor and see how much it helps you. >> karen just doomed my chances of winning because we don't agree on anything. i'm telling you, i put craig melvin's flame name in first th this morning. >> i'll say you're so unreasoning. >> i want you to speculate with me for a second. if it's not you, who else could it b
get things done in washington, rather than saying hey, would you stick with grover norquist or would you not or would you address entitlements or not. i believe it's vital that we address the entitlements, who are the elephant in the room, but that would be up to the people who would be sitting across the table from each other. we cannot go over this fiscal cliff, no matter what people on both ends of the political spectrum say. i believe that there was a popularity poll in case you missed it where now members of congress rank just above car salespeople and i'm a great admirer of car salespeople, you know. it's not even astonishing and it angers me beyond belief, even journalists rank higher than members of congress. >> former senate majority leader george mitchell knows what it's like to be in the middle of the debate. he joins me now. senator mitchell, you more or less have been in john boehner's shoes. you were a congressional leader hammering out a tax and spending cut deal with the president of the opposing party. how is what we're seeing now different than what you experienced
grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of washington next week. i'm not kidding. i think we should ask each politician we interview, have you purchased tickets to leave without getting your job done. what's the date on that ticket?
a lot of time talking about grover norquist, another person out of government in the mind of everyone serving in government. and that is a way to make change. >> ryan, we talked about the heritage foundation. and if he is going to be an activist, is heritage the right place to go? senator demint is the one who said if we're able to stop obama on the affordable care act, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. the idea for an individual mandate which is the centerpiece of the affordable care act was birthed at the heritage foundation. >> right. but i think jim demint can kind of shape the heritage foundation to his political will. and the fact that he is able to go to the heritage foundation actually says a lot about where the two parties are on the spectrum. you could never imagine a democratic senator the equivalent of demint. you know, you couldn't imagine somebody like bernie sanders, for instance. you couldn't imagine him going to run the center for progress there is too much daylight between the establishment in washington and the kind of left wing of the democratic party. wh
over the fiscal cliff, and i think they are making that point. >> i believe grover norquist. they should get the media cameras in their. stuart: let's get more on this. we have a special guest joining us. he should have been on varney & company many times. >> i hope this is the first of many appearances. great to be with you this morning. i am kind of in a foul mood this morning. i am going to say something. the three of you are going -- if the republicans just gave the president what he wants on these taxes, low, in the end, the taxes are going up. we still have a trillion dollar deficit. this does not solve anything. at best, even if they raise the money they think they will, and i don't think they will raise any money, they are still left with a trillion dollar deficit. how are you going to bring down a trillion dollar deficit? i think the democrats are on -- i had to get that off my chest. stuart: gm car and truck sales are up 3%. the stock, dead flat. sales up 3%. that is the car sales numbers coming in today. steve, i want to get back to you here. the democrats say, wa
the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposal but it was not very many and they dismissed it out of, of hand after i thought geithner spent the entire weekend calling on the republicans to come forward with a plan. >> well, soledad, the p
're in crisis. host: to attend the wednesday meetings of grover norquist? guest: no. host: why not? guest: you have to determine how you'll spend your time. that's not the best use of my time. i think that is something necessary that he does. host: first call for armstrong williams comes from fred in michigan. caller: hi. i have two questions concerning the fiscal cliff. the cash cuts that republicans -- the spending cuts on medicare. why don't we allow them to negotiate medicare and to reduce the cost of medicine? that should save you a lot of money yearly. i agree totally about the republicans and democrats spending money stupidly just before the election. both sides voted to refurbish something like 170 army tanks that the army said they'd do not need. they went and voted to repair those tanks. why are we wasting our money? democrats want to cut taxes. host: armstrong williams? guest: we haven't gotten to affordable care and medicare and medicaid. if affordable care was administered correctly and if he did not have the special interest groups and if tort reform was not included, package you
and he won't be signing grover norquist's tax pledge. welcome to you and best of luck in the future. but before that we're going to have this interview. >> thanks, ms. witt. >> let's talk about what needs to happen for you to put your support behind higher tax rates. >> i think we need to look beyond that. we need to look at why are we here now. this is something that's been put off for several years. this is a continuing problem. and that's one of the reasons we ran. it was the career politicians either led up to where they're at or failed to prevent it. that was the message that resounded in our district and that got us here. it got to the point where we really don't care who broke it, we just want it fixed. we need to put america first at this time. >> i'm curious how much you were able to absorb in orientation. i ask that bought your fellow freshman ann wagner compared it to drinking from a fire hose. what is your take? >> i heard that analogy a lot. there was a lot of information. but it was exciting. the first week i did feel like a fish out of water. certainly that doesn't sa
-by-day house members are saying they will blow off the grover norquist pledge. why do we have to be held to a pledge some would say? >> some. why give up something if a negotiation until you get something back? they are not getting anything back. >>gregg: the concession was a mistake? >> obviously. >> what we are missing from the republicans, that would be a positive message of what they are for. if as they did with paul ryan, they say we want to take medicare, social security, medicaid, and they do the same thing now with mcconnell and they need a game changer. >> as i said, on the debt crisis --. >> no, it is about spending cuts and the president is proposing not cuts but more spending. >> here is the point. if the republicans said, wait, we are going to start right here on this constitutional question, make the democrats in the senate and house of representatives vote, do you think mary landrieu would vote to give him total power? the republicans do not have a clue how to handle this. >> that would be smart, to call a vote right now on the president's ability to take away from congres
that the grover norquist pledge is taken by people we need to raise revenue. the president has to lead and not follow from behind on cutting the growth in entitlements. when people say we are going to cut spending, no, we are going to cut the growth of spending. medicare, medicaid, social security and other discretionary things in the budget. the gap is too wide. other people have pointed out we need revenue at 18.5% of gdp. we need expenditures at 21%. another point that i would like to make is the consumer has pretty much tapped out. if you look at nominal gdp it was up in the last quarter, personal income is only up 3%. that is a bad sign people are just saving and in solving credit is going back up. installment credit is up 11.7% year over year. a lot of these factors do not bode well. dagen: thank you for shaking me up this morning, scott. it was great to see you, as always. terrific insight. scott bloch. >> thank you very much. connell: we will show you what it means for companies and whether others will follow suit. dagen: he is one of the gang of eight. mark warner from the ver
, congress most of the republicans signed the grover norquist pledge which says you cannot tax that 2% more than anybody else. you can't increase the taxes. so we're at a stalemate and someone has to give and i don't see anyone giving right now. >> bank of america today commented on the let's jump crowd. the bungee jump crowd for which they think is a scenario. >> you wonder how much of that is in negotiating position. embraced early on by senator schumer, new york state's senior senator. we'll see. you know, there are those who believe if you want deficit reduction and are serious about it, we have one way to get there and it's called the fiscal cliff and will send us into recession but we may get deficit reduction but others believe we won't get spending cuts that we need. more will take place in defense which many argue does need to happen perhaps though not in the same way it does. we shall see. what's today's date? the fourth now. we're not too far. people say the 18th. we need to at least see something for the 21st. >> they're going on vacation with legislation. is that right? should
no tax increases? we are the grover norquist party. makes grover actually have to, you know, have to grovel a little bit. i think that's part of the motivation going on here. i don't see why the add miles per hourstration goes on -- gives itn on entitlement cuts. maybe it's parted of the debt ceiling situation. they don't have to do it now. i don't see why they would. >> the bottom line i have heard from the president and pr-jay carney over and over and over again is tax rates must go up for the top 2% and if they don't get legislation, then -- >> they will go up. >> they will go up. >> but they have not been firm. >> i was going to add that, too. that question has been asked multiple times. every time it's asked, you know, they will say what they say is tax rates have to go up but do they have to go up to 39.6? the tax rates on the wealthy have to go up. i think they would accept 37 if they get for example a deal on the debt ceiling. >> they are not getting that. >> wait. >> get something for it, i think they would accept. >> 39.6. you are saying me
our oath to the constitution. others will take their oath to grover norquist. >> coom meeting ceremonies. >> grover, you know, the temple on 16th street. >> maybe the capitol grill, k street. it's unbelievable. >> carnalishment this is something i hope you can get in the debate is why we are here in the first lace that republicans put us on the path to the fiscal cliff by not doing what congress -- dozens of congresses have done, which is to extend the debt limit, not spend more money on getting into debt. >> that's to pay the interest on the debt we already 0. >> that's exact right. >> we are here right now, this republican, you know, fiscal cliff because they forced us to be here because they wouldn't do the responsible thing in 2011. >> exactly. look, we are here because the republicans did what no family may america would do, they took out the credit card. they put expenses on that credit card and decided we don't want to pay what we owe. these were their decisions. history is interesting but it's not going to get us away from this cliff. what
. grover norquist said why don't we just get the c-span and watch the sausage being made. it could be too scary. >> brian: they had him out there and he defended himself yesterday. he's doing a good job exactly defining what he's going for. he's not the angry guy everyone portrade himself. mr. #1: makes a point that washington smends too much. another story that everyone is talking about. kansas city chief's player who murdered his girlfriend, shot her nine times and killed himself. brad underwood has more from kansas city. good morning, brad. >> good morning, it has been an emotional high and low in the last couple of days in kansas city. they are continuing to learn more about the events leading up with the incident with javon and his girlfriend casandra perkins and what will happen to zoe. javon's mother the raise the three month old in long island. funeral arrangements haven't been made for casandra or javon. the first thing out of the head coach's mouth. thoughts and prayers going out to both families. javon a starter of the kansas city chiefs and his girlfriend was active in the org
to spend on. host: do you agree with the grover norquist tax pledge to not raise taxes? caller: in service of the tax rates? yes, i do. i am also left scratching my head because i believe when the bush tax cuts were put into effect that many democrats oppose those as being bad for the economy. yet, and now, they are running around saying we cannot let the rates go back to the talks rates that we set up under president clinton -- the tax rates go back. what let's stick out with came out yesterday from the republicans. they want to bring in new revenue from tax reform, $800 billion being their calculations. do you agree with some who say that is increasing taxes? caller: yes and no. it depends. i would agree with that form of tax revenue increase if it went with spendingd reductions. host: that is where you see compromise? caller: we have been through this before. i have friends that frequently site back in reagan's presidency that president reagan increased taxes, but he did that as a consequence of an agreement with the democratic leadership with the democratic leadership
to have both sides of that. grover norquist, of course, already our guest. he's going to say, we shouldn't have tax increases in this country no matter what, no matter how, no way. then we'll have republican tom cole on, who broke ranks with the republican party, who says, let's extend the bush tax cuts for people making under $250,000 a year and do the rest of it later. something sort of like what the president had put forth. so both of those sides tonight. and then we'll talk about the movie "zero dark 30," already getting oscar buzz, about the raid and capture of osama bin laden. there was all of this concern about whether there was classified information that was linked to the filmmakers that could put the u.s. in jeopardy. we have a special report on what information was leaked. >> looking forward to it. erin burnett, thanks. >>> it started with a fight in the subway and ended with a man's death and a front-page photo that makes the story even more shocking. [ telephones ringing ] at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or better. ye
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